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LiQuId StEeL · Mar 09, 2006, 09:26 PM // 21:26

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Originally Posted by wsmcasey

No offense taken..............I don't do this for a living, but I have knowledge of the past 5 computers that I built for myself, including all the upgrades in between. I've ran a few PCI cards on old boards with some success, but the graphics capabilities were rather limited imo.

Exactly, you build the computers for yourself, meaning you usually had semi-recent technology (within 2 years at least). Companies like Sony, Dell, HP, and the like use boards made by major companies (usually... my Sony had a dumbed down Asus board, and an old Compaq had a Foxxcon) with features removed to cut costs. If the comnpany can get old chips for the boards that don't support any upgrades, they will take them, and say "Warranty Void if Seal is Broken" and slap a sticker on the back. The point of premades isn't to be upgradable, but to run stable and for a long time, so they cut corners, and make the system as "dumb" as possible.

That is why my neighbor bought a Dell last month, and there is no AGP, or PCI-E slot to be found. They aren't meant to be changed in any way shape, or form, so they save the 10cents, and don't put the slot on.

PCI cards are beneficial for only one reason. To free up power for everything else. No, it won't be much faster, but it will make a difference. My PCI card changed me from mid teens to mid twenties when I got it.

AGP was introduced in the early ninties, but for whatever reason didn't catch on with mass producers. Shame really. Pre-installing a nVIDIA/ATI card into a prebuilt, and they probably could have charged double the cost of the card.

Adding the 128mb of graphics dedicated ram can mean thwe difference from playing on low and high settings.

swaaye · Mar 09, 2006, 10:27 PM // 22:27

Radeon 9500 PRO/9700/9800 are all 8 pipeline GPUs with 4 vertex shaders.

Radeon 9000/9200/9250 are all 4 pipeline GPUs with 1 vertex shader, using a far less efficient design than said 8 pipeline chips. In fact Radeon 8500 is faster than all of those.

PCI just makes things a lot worse too.

Googling this stuff woulda set you upon lots and lots of reviews.

This forum needs better moderation. With the unending stream of questions about video cards, there should be a sticky maintained by those who know this stuff. I've personally helped put together some threads of this fashion with some other forumgoers, but they've all been lost cuz they weren't stickied.

Serafita Kayin · Mar 09, 2006, 11:11 PM // 23:11

There are stickies, nobody reads them.

Hell I WROTE the video card thread to end all threads, but I see so few people using it...

Loviatar · Mar 09, 2006, 11:51 PM // 23:51

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Originally Posted by Serafita Kayin

There are stickies, nobody reads them.

Hell I WROTE the video card thread to end all threads, but I see so few people using it...

i looked (and read as well) and i made a snagit for future reference

thanks for the effort

geminisaga · Mar 09, 2006, 11:54 PM // 23:54

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Originally Posted by Leader_Of_Da_Elites

I got this graphics card the other day hearing it was really good and it worked great. so last night i installed it and its took 4 minutes to load the first page of guild wars (i re-installed the game to aviod any problems). now its loading fine but its stuttering and i get lag all the time. any way to improve this problem or something? i spent $100.34 on it

lol u got scam :P .i use my geforce 4 mx without problem and it cost about 30 $ or so , btw try add yur memory to 700+ or so maybe it works

Leader_Of_Da_Elites · Mar 10, 2006, 02:52 AM // 02:52

I guess im gonna have to get another grpahics card.. have a AGP slot so i guess when i BUY another graphics card (return it is out of the question opened hardware cant be returned) its gonna be a AGP thanks for the help i guess ill just sell this graphics card of eBay

after doing more research i found out that i dont have a AGP slot.....

Stealthy Trapper · Mar 10, 2006, 04:18 AM // 04:18

I'm still somewhat new to this subject as well. Which is better, graphics cards that use the AGP or ones that use the PCI slots?

wsmcasey · Mar 10, 2006, 02:47 PM // 14:47

See, now all that discussion with me over nothing, our friend here does have AGP after all

Teklord · Mar 10, 2006, 04:31 PM // 16:31

To answer Stealthy Trapper: As a general guildline PCI Express > AGP > PCI for video cards.

Old Dood · Mar 10, 2006, 05:03 PM // 17:03

What the Heck...I might just buy one of these ATI PCI cards for our work systems. We have 2 Optiplexes and one Dim 3000. I really hate the Optiplex line....they are really Dim 2400's in disguise. The Dim 3000 is a little better but not by much.

Still adding a PCI vid card to them would speed them up somewhat when I want to have some kind of fun at work.

Loviatar · Mar 10, 2006, 06:21 PM // 18:21

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Originally Posted by Stealthy Trapper

I'm still somewhat new to this subject as well. Which is better, graphics cards that use the AGP or ones that use the PCI slots?

to be more clear than the others the original pci version is being scrapped as very slow and outdated.

AGP is what replaced the original pci many years ago and is much better in all respects than pci.

NOW THE CONFUSION

there is a newer version called PCI-EXPRESS which is better than AGP but is completely incompatable with and not to be confused with the old original pci.

hope this helps some

Stealthy Trapper · Mar 10, 2006, 08:30 PM // 20:30

So I see says the blind man.

No, that is what I thought. I always knew PCI express was better than APG I just got confused between the name diffences between PCI and PCI express.

Cool ty